From stan at ana.com Wed Jan 31 01:41:45 2007 From: stan at ana.com (Stan Osborne) Date: Wed Jan 31 01:39:59 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] updates for AMF XI (2007) Message-ID: <200701310941.l0V9fj2F024196@anna.ana.com> AMF-XI begins approximately in 145 days. There have been no objections raised for setting the dates to June 25 -- July 4, 2007. So I would like to change the website so these are definately the dates for this years AMF. Are there any objections? The AMF website needs its banner graphic changed to have "AMF XI 2007" instead of "AMF X 2006". Who has made these chagnes in the past? Who wants to make this change this year? Since the dates this year are significantly different from previous years, we need to work hard at getting the word out regarding this years dates. So please start posting reminders about the date change in places were it will do the most good. Also now is the time to make and start distributing flyers. Should this years dates be sent out over the 'announce' mailing list? This is the 1st time AMF will start in late June. This means scouting should start no later than early May. All of last years places that were good locations, but then ended up being too dry should be circulated amoungst those scouting this year. There is a note on the website about the photo-gallery being merged with the spaz gallery. I don't have a problem with this as long as people can restrict what they look at in the gallery. People who want to look at AMF photos should not have to sort through lots of great, but non-AMF photos. IMHO, the photo gallery should not be locked for long periods of time. People are complaining that they can't upload pictures. If converting the gallery is taking a long time, please unlock the gallery until you have the new gallery ready. Stan From stan at ana.com Thu Feb 22 22:19:58 2007 From: stan at ana.com (Stan Osborne) Date: Thu Feb 22 22:10:08 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] FWD: [SpAzLiSt] mutanfest meeting Message-ID: <200702230619.l1N6Jw5v001392@anna.ana.com> Are there plans for meetings like these in other places besides the SF Bay Area? Forwarded From: lia > At last year's AMF planning meetings many of us dicussed the need for > earlier planning meetings.....so here it goes. Also, if you haven't come > to check out our new digs, please join us. > > Friday March 2nd, 6pm. Vulcan lofts, 4401 San Leandro St. #39, Oakland > Some snacks will be provided but feel free to bring stuff. > Hope to see you there....here. > > To get into the building for the meeting call: Lia, Jordan, Jeremy, Lucy > or Shadow. > _______________________________________________ > S.P.A.Z. - http://www.spaz.org Semi-Permanent Autonomous Zone > > Spazlist mailing list > Spazlist@lists.spaz.org > http://lists.spaz.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/spazlist > From shalom at spaz.org Fri Feb 23 09:20:42 2007 From: shalom at spaz.org (shalom@spaz.org) Date: Fri Feb 23 09:20:53 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] do something good today... Message-ID: Dear Friends, Did you know that the world's largest temperate rainforest is right here in America? And we could lose it to logging unless we speak out. Right now, the Forest Service is determining how Alaska's Tongass National Forest will be managed over the long term. An initial proposal allows for a dramatic increase from current logging levels, putting rare and important old-growth habitat at risk. There's good news - before the plan is finalized, the Forest Service must accept public comment, but only for a limited period of time. It will only take a minute of your time, and the clock is ticking. Just click the link below to send a free message to the Forest Service: http://action.wilderness.org/campaign/save_tongassed?rk=87x2EId1bmY8W pass it on... ****************************** This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com ****************************** From bloodonthefloor at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 13:13:44 2007 From: bloodonthefloor at gmail.com (blood onthefloor) Date: Thu Mar 1 13:10:33 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] Re: Organize Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <200702230612.l1N6C1IZ073877@artsf1.spaz.org> References: <200702230612.l1N6C1IZ073877@artsf1.spaz.org> Message-ID: Wish i could make it to the meeting tomorrow but due to certain WVO system going in my bus (hopefully) im stuck on this one. I would like to address the dates as having AMF the same time as the national rainbow gathering leaves out alot of the people that would like to make it to both events. While having both events at the same time may be better for fire danger, it wouldnt work to get rid of the drainbow element, as the drains dont have their shit together enough to make it to the national anyways and stay to the local area, maybe 10 kids. Also is there anyway we could arrange signs to educate the new people coming to AMF about shitters, safety, the shit connection, and how they can get involved with the scouting and decision processes taking place, aswell as CLEANUP. We must keep these woods clean unlike other event (BM) who shit in the same place and never care a bit to clean up the damn mess. See you all this years AMF, and hope the best for this WVO system goin in my bus! cheers blood From brian at katabatik.org Tue Mar 6 12:35:30 2007 From: brian at katabatik.org (Brian Wright) Date: Tue Mar 6 12:35:38 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] Sikh kitchen in New Dehli feeds 10,000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is inspiring: http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006211.html From siv at zcluster.org Tue Mar 6 17:16:49 2007 From: siv at zcluster.org (J. Travis Wichert) Date: Tue Mar 6 17:14:04 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF on private land? Message-ID: <45EE1281.7040109@zcluster.org> Mutants, a question: what, if any, are commonly cited issues with holding AMF on large acreage of "privately-owned" land? Besides lack of roads? Thanks, -t- From mmoongoo at nommoogo.org Tue Mar 6 17:26:06 2007 From: mmoongoo at nommoogo.org (djnnx) Date: Tue Mar 6 17:26:14 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF on private land? In-Reply-To: <45EE1281.7040109@zcluster.org> Message-ID: t, the main issue concerns liablity - the landowner is responsible for any activities that occur on their land. one's property can and most likely will be used as a leverage by authorities. this makes it problematic for the landowner. another important thing to consider is the direct action approach of the amf. reclaiming the use of public land for the festival is a still a political act. having the festival on private land would trivialize this message. while some things would certainly be made easier by having it on private land, the basic principle of autonomy would be conflated with the idea of private property. *, -djynnx > > Mutants, a question: what, if any, are commonly cited issues with > holding AMF on large acreage of "privately-owned" land? Besides lack > of roads? > > Thanks, > > -t- > _______________________________________________ > Organize mailing list > Organize@mutantfest.org > http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > -- From ny at mindspring.com Tue Mar 6 17:43:31 2007 From: ny at mindspring.com (David) Date: Tue Mar 6 17:39:49 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF on private land? References: <45EE1281.7040109@zcluster.org> Message-ID: <44fa01c7605a$03e6a9c0$7eeded04@yourxb2x7j77gn> Mutants, a question: what, if any, are commonly cited issues with holding AMF on large acreage of "privately-owned" land? Besides lack of roads? 1) insurance 2) local zoning 3) local and or state laws, in furtherance of a governmental interest in public, safety and welfare, requiring a permit and or a bond for large assemblies on private land From stan at ana.com Tue Mar 6 17:43:42 2007 From: stan at ana.com (Stan Osborne) Date: Tue Mar 6 17:41:32 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF on private land? Message-ID: <200703070143.l271hgm2016533@anna.ana.com> -t-, Without much research these issues come to mind right away. I'm fairly certain some of the documentation about Rainbow gatherings goes into this in more detail. 1) liability; if the owner gives permission, they assume liability for injuries and damages to property (fires can spread over larger area) 2) local, county and state laws apply to gatherings/parties 1st amendment rights to assemble are regulated by local law enforcement AMF is not an 'organization' so the party is hosted by the land owner permits are usually required; port-a-potties & water, etc.... 3) Private property owners / organizations can change their minds at the last minute. 4) National Forests are public resources. Their are to be used and enjoyed to the fullest by the public. As long as AMF has minimal impact on the forests, we are using the resource apropriately Stan | From: "J. Travis Wichert" | To: organize@mutantfest.org | Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF on private land? | Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:16:49 -0800 | | Mutants, a question: what, if any, are commonly cited issues with | holding AMF on large acreage of "privately-owned" land? Besides lack | of roads? | | Thanks, | | -t- | _______________________________________________ | Organize mailing list | Organize@mutantfest.org | http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize From stan at ana.com Tue Mar 6 17:52:53 2007 From: stan at ana.com (Stan Osborne) Date: Tue Mar 6 17:50:37 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] last year's non-violent roadblock dispersal Message-ID: <200703070152.l271qrEj016920@anna.ana.com> At the recent AMF planning meeting the fact that last years (2006) Rainbow Gathering did not have a signed permit was discussed. The Forest Service LEOs tried arresting people, and then they tried blocking the road. Here is a video of how the people already at the Rainbow Gathering walked out to the roadblock and using non-violent methods convinced the LEOs to pack up and leave. Rainbow Family Peaceably Schools Police, Dissolves Roadblock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hAx5G0I9mU Also the 2007 annual North American Rainbow Gathering will be in Arkansas, Oklahoma, or Texas. Ignore all rumors of cancellation or organization! Live Lightly with the Land and People! Stan From ny at mindspring.com Tue Mar 6 18:55:28 2007 From: ny at mindspring.com (David) Date: Tue Mar 6 18:51:46 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF on private land? Message-ID: <452201c76064$114db590$7eeded04@yourxb2x7j77gn> I've spent up to three weeks at a time at Rainbow Gatherings. I've been to Gatherings which have had a permit, such as the one in the Ithaca National Forest and the Ocala National Forest, and most recently, this summer at the Green Mountain National Forest, all of which had a permit. The presence of Forest Service was practically non-existent. From jason23 at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 21:05:56 2007 From: jason23 at gmail.com (slide) Date: Tue Mar 6 21:02:16 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF on private land? In-Reply-To: <452201c76064$114db590$7eeded04@yourxb2x7j77gn> References: <452201c76064$114db590$7eeded04@yourxb2x7j77gn> Message-ID: <8b1b876d0703062105k3d0d0e3ag31096a4dca8683d2@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, there's pros and cons to both sides of the issue. At first glance I don't see it as any different than throwing TAZ-like parties in legit venues or private property, but it does run counter to the "our land" and "free to gather and peaceably assemble" argument and philosophies. Not to mention the "ownership is theft" argument, particularly in regards to land. Private land parties can be pretty sweet, though, with good planning and an astute property owner. On 3/6/07, David wrote: > I've spent up to three weeks at a time at Rainbow Gatherings. I've been to > Gatherings which have had a permit, such as the one in the Ithaca National > Forest and the Ocala National Forest, and most recently, this summer at the > Green Mountain National Forest, all of which had a permit. The presence of > Forest Service was practically non-existent. > > _______________________________________________ > Organize mailing list > Organize@mutantfest.org > http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > From aaron at artsf1.spaz.org Tue Mar 6 23:13:36 2007 From: aaron at artsf1.spaz.org (Aaron Winett) Date: Tue Mar 6 23:13:45 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF on private land? In-Reply-To: <8b1b876d0703062105k3d0d0e3ag31096a4dca8683d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <452201c76064$114db590$7eeded04@yourxb2x7j77gn> <8b1b876d0703062105k3d0d0e3ag31096a4dca8683d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, slide wrote: > Yeah, there's pros and cons to both sides of the issue. At first > glance I don't see it as any different than throwing TAZ-like parties > in legit venues or private property, but it does run counter to the > "our land" and "free to gather and peaceably assemble" argument and > philosophies. Not to mention the "ownership is theft" argument, > particularly in regards to land. > > Private land parties can be pretty sweet, though, with good planning > and an astute property owner. i agree that good parties can be had on private land, but i don't think AMF is one of them. too many constraints, too much liability for the owner. runs counter to the spirit of AMF. aa > > On 3/6/07, David wrote: > > I've spent up to three weeks at a time at Rainbow Gatherings. I've been to > > Gatherings which have had a permit, such as the one in the Ithaca National > > Forest and the Ocala National Forest, and most recently, this summer at the > > Green Mountain National Forest, all of which had a permit. The presence of > > Forest Service was practically non-existent. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Organize mailing list > > Organize@mutantfest.org > > http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > > > _______________________________________________ > Organize mailing list > Organize@mutantfest.org > http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > From jason23 at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 02:03:06 2007 From: jason23 at gmail.com (slide) Date: Wed Mar 7 01:59:29 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF on private land? In-Reply-To: References: <452201c76064$114db590$7eeded04@yourxb2x7j77gn> <8b1b876d0703062105k3d0d0e3ag31096a4dca8683d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b1b876d0703070203y34bcfb54r77f4ff28953d4d63@mail.gmail.com> On 3/6/07, Aaron Winett wrote: > i agree that good parties can be had on private land, but i don't think > AMF is one of them. too many constraints, too much liability for the > owner. runs counter to the spirit of AMF. No, I agree. I was just discussing. The idea of (free) spinoff/related parties on good private land is nice, though. I just support the idea of throwing gatherings in general, with political leanings or purposes or without. Permitted protest parties, totally renegade desert or forest parties or street parties or whatever. Free, pure music, dance and good peple gathering is just about always a damn fine combo. From stan at ana.com Wed Mar 7 08:53:00 2007 From: stan at ana.com (Stan Osborne) Date: Wed Mar 7 08:51:02 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] flexible water storage containers Message-ID: <200703071653.l27Gr0U1027805@anna.ana.com> Even if we have running water nearby, we still need a way to transport the water to the places were it is needed. There are at least two manufacturers of 300 gallon inflatable tanks. These fit in the back of a pickup truck and take up about 6' x 7' when inflated. (300 gallons of water weighs ~2500 lbs.) This is the same amount of water as six 55 gallon barrels. Some URLs were these are described and sold: http://www.aquaflex.net/ (up to 300 gallons) http://www.interstateproducts.com/all_tanks.htm (100 to 50,000 gallons) These can be hauled with a pickup truck or a flat-bed trailer rated to carry 1.5 tons. A trailer could be unhitched and the vehicle used for other purposes while the water is used/drained. A website on Rainbow Gathering water systems: Water For Safe Drinking http://www.ashevillecommunity.org/hawker/water/ Stan From shobhagrace at hotmail.com Wed Mar 7 09:28:23 2007 From: shobhagrace at hotmail.com (shobha grace) Date: Wed Mar 7 09:25:21 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] re Message-ID: move me from your list please _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 From grok at spaz.org Fri Mar 9 15:16:00 2007 From: grok at spaz.org (GROK) Date: Fri Mar 9 15:16:14 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] flexible water storage containers In-Reply-To: <200703071653.l27Gr0U1027805@anna.ana.com> Message-ID: both my truck and the trailer are 3/4 ton rated which is 187 gallons so neither should carry more than 200 gal. the beds are designed to carry full sheets of plywood which are 8x4 feet, the measurement between the wheel wells. the full width of the bed, if an inflatable tank is used, is about 2 inches shy of 6 feet so either will hold the 250 or 300 gal bags. I also know where to get an endless supply of food grade 55 gal blue drums. GROK On Wed, Mar 7, 2007, Stan Osborne said: > Even if we have running water nearby, we still need a way to transport > the water to the places were it is needed. > > There are at least two manufacturers of 300 gallon inflatable tanks. > These fit in the back of a pickup truck and take up about 6' x 7' > when inflated. (300 gallons of water weighs ~2500 lbs.) This is > the same amount of water as six 55 gallon barrels. > > Some URLs were these are described and sold: > > http://www.aquaflex.net/ (up to 300 gallons) > > http://www.interstateproducts.com/all_tanks.htm (100 to 50,000 gallons) > > These can be hauled with a pickup truck or a flat-bed trailer > rated to carry 1.5 tons. A trailer could be unhitched and the > vehicle used for other purposes while the water is used/drained. > > A website on Rainbow Gathering water systems: > > Water For Safe Drinking > http://www.ashevillecommunity.org/hawker/water/ > > Stan > _______________________________________________ > Organize mailing list > Organize@mutantfest.org > http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > -- From stan at ana.com Sun May 20 00:46:56 2007 From: stan at ana.com (Stan Osborne) Date: Sun May 20 01:44:08 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] are any scouting reports in? Message-ID: <200705200746.l4K7kumf068601@ana.com> Hello. AMF 2007 starts in just 36 days. Has anybody done any scouting this spring? If so, please report on what you found. Stan From cabbage at panzen.net Sun May 20 14:45:08 2007 From: cabbage at panzen.net (Try My Cabbage) Date: Sun May 20 15:48:16 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] are any scouting reports in? Message-ID: <55198.1179697508@panzen.net> PAN ZEN has been scouting.. I just sent wyrd to the krewe to let yall know what we are up to (communication can get rather insular with all the no-go sitez and whatnot).... though we found a good spot in WA last year we are aware ov the need for a more southern spot this year around.... I am in austria and am out ov the physical loop this time around... though... you should get posts soon on the AMF site soon... cia4now /|\ www.panzen.net On Sun May 20 1:46 , Stan Osborne sent: > >Hello. > >AMF 2007 starts in just 36 days. > >Has anybody done any scouting this spring? >If so, please report on what you found. > >Stan >_______________________________________________ >Organize mailing list >Organize@mutantfest.org >http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize From gman_79 at yahoo.com Sun May 20 21:23:44 2007 From: gman_79 at yahoo.com (Tal Davies) Date: Sun May 20 22:19:26 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] are any scouting reports in? In-Reply-To: <55198.1179697508@panzen.net> Message-ID: <347410.99918.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have done some scouting in southern OR but no perfect sites found yet. I have got some more places to check out too. What area has PAN ZEN been looking at? And who might I contact for a second opinion this year? -Tal --- Try My Cabbage wrote: > PAN ZEN has been scouting.. I just sent wyrd to the > krewe to let yall know what we are up to > (communication can get rather insular with all the > no-go sitez > and whatnot).... though we found a good spot in WA > last year we are aware ov the need for a more > southern spot this year around.... I am in austria > and am > out ov the physical loop this time around... > though... you should get posts soon on the AMF site > soon... > > cia4now > > /|\ > > www.panzen.net > > On Sun May 20 1:46 , Stan Osborne sent: > > > > >Hello. > > > >AMF 2007 starts in just 36 days. > > > >Has anybody done any scouting this spring? > >If so, please report on what you found. > > > >Stan > >_______________________________________________ > >Organize mailing list > >Organize@mutantfest.org > >http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > > > > _______________________________________________ > Organize mailing list > Organize@mutantfest.org > http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > From cabbage at panzen.net Mon May 21 08:03:13 2007 From: cabbage at panzen.net (Try My Cabbage) Date: Mon May 21 09:07:31 2007 Subject: moRe: [AMF Organize] are any scouting reports in? Message-ID: <55762.1179759793@panzen.net> not sure what the kidy are up too.... i think the sites have been central/coastal ore... my understanding is heath is meeting with aaron (spaz) to discuss some possibilities... so the information should be flowing soon... /|\ www.panzen.net On Sun May 20 22:23 , Tal Davies sent: >I have done some scouting in southern OR but no >perfect sites found yet. I have got some more places >to check out too. What area has PAN ZEN been looking >at? And who might I contact for a second opinion this >year? > >-Tal > > >--- Try My Cabbage cabbage@panzen.net> wrote: > >> PAN ZEN has been scouting.. I just sent wyrd to the >> krewe to let yall know what we are up to >> (communication can get rather insular with all the >> no-go sitez >> and whatnot).... though we found a good spot in WA >> last year we are aware ov the need for a more >> southern spot this year around.... I am in austria >> and am >> out ov the physical loop this time around... >> though... you should get posts soon on the AMF site >> soon... >> >> cia4now >> >> /|\ >> >> www.panzen.net >> >> On Sun May 20 1:46 , Stan Osborne sent: >> >> > >> >Hello. >> > >> >AMF 2007 starts in just 36 days. >> > >> >Has anybody done any scouting this spring? >> >If so, please report on what you found. >> > >> >Stan >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Organize mailing list >> >Organize@mutantfest.org >> >>http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Organize mailing list >> Organize@mutantfest.org >> >http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize >> > >_______________________________________________ >Organize mailing list >Organize@mutantfest.org >http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize From heathf23 at hotmail.com Mon May 21 17:47:03 2007 From: heathf23 at hotmail.com (tankboy heath) Date: Mon May 21 18:43:22 2007 Subject: moRe: [AMF Organize] are any scouting reports in? In-Reply-To: <55762.1179759793@panzen.net> Message-ID: things r still in early planning on scouting. i should be going out in the next week to check a good possible oregon location. arron said that there is also a good northern california possiblity, but that one would be up to the people living in that area(if u wanna help on that front, contact spaz). i will definately let people know if i have something concrete. if anyone has any possible locations in oregon email me with coordinates, directions... heath >From: Try My Cabbage >Reply-To: cabbage@panzen.net >To: Organize@mutantfest.org >Subject: moRe: [AMF Organize] are any scouting reports in? >Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:03:13 -0500 > >not sure what the kidy are up too.... i think the sites have been >central/coastal ore... > >my understanding is heath is meeting with aaron (spaz) to discuss some >possibilities... so the information should be flowing soon... > >/|\ > >www.panzen.net > >On Sun May 20 22:23 , Tal Davies sent: > > >I have done some scouting in southern OR but no > >perfect sites found yet. I have got some more places > >to check out too. What area has PAN ZEN been looking > >at? And who might I contact for a second opinion this > >year? > > > >-Tal > > > > > >--- Try My Cabbage cabbage@panzen.net> wrote: > > > >> PAN ZEN has been scouting.. I just sent wyrd to the > >> krewe to let yall know what we are up to > >> (communication can get rather insular with all the > >> no-go sitez > >> and whatnot).... though we found a good spot in WA > >> last year we are aware ov the need for a more > >> southern spot this year around.... I am in austria > >> and am > >> out ov the physical loop this time around... > >> though... you should get posts soon on the AMF site > >> soon... > >> > >> cia4now > >> > >> /|\ > >> > >> www.panzen.net > >> > >> On Sun May 20 1:46 , Stan Osborne sent: > >> > >> > > >> >Hello. > >> > > >> >AMF 2007 starts in just 36 days. > >> > > >> >Has anybody done any scouting this spring? > >> >If so, please report on what you found. > >> > > >> >Stan > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Organize mailing list > >> >Organize@mutantfest.org > >> > >>http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Organize mailing list > >> Organize@mutantfest.org > >> > >http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Organize mailing list > >Organize@mutantfest.org > >http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > > > >_______________________________________________ >Organize mailing list >Organize@mutantfest.org >http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From stan at ana.com Fri Jun 1 16:08:28 2007 From: stan at ana.com (Stan Osborne) Date: Fri Jun 1 17:04:29 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] 800# service problems Message-ID: <200706012308.l51N8SWE055859@ana.com> Hello. Prior to and during the two past festivals the spax 800 number service has been provided by a company in Canada. It turns out the service provided by this company is just fine for everything but announcing the location of AMF. The service is designed for people who travel around the world on business. It is not designed to support a large number of calls over a short time period. The long descriptions for finding the location cause people to call back several times while they write down the directions. This results in several calls from each person who is trying to use the 800# to find out the location. The location is typically announced late in the week prior to the 1st Monday of the festival. This causes most of the calls to happen on at the end of the week or over the weekend. The service is a pay-in-advance service with no way to add additional $$$ except on a weekly cycle, or by calling them on the phone. Even when the weekly maximum charnge is increased we have run out of prepaid credit before the week is over. This causes the 800# to stop working. The Canadian company provides no telephone support over the weekend and rarely answeres their phone during the week. They want people to leave messages or use the internet. The result for the last two years has been the 800# shutting off when it is most needed by people trying to find the location of AMF. It shuts off on the Thursday or Friday before the beginning of the festival and it does not come back online until Monday or Tuesday. We need to do something different this year or this will become the 3rd year in a row were the 800# temporarily shuts off for several days just before the start of the festival. Perhaps the 800# should just tell people to check the website for directions? This would cut down on the repeated calls. But it won't stop the service from being shut off once the prepaid credit is exhausted. Stan From mmoongoo at nommoogo.org Fri Jun 1 19:57:55 2007 From: mmoongoo at nommoogo.org (djnnx) Date: Fri Jun 1 19:58:26 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] North Cali Scouting Message-ID: Hello, I will be doing some scouting in Northern California this week. If anyone has any info (coordinates, maps, resources for data) that may be relevent for the 2007 MutantQuest, please email me directly. *****, djnnnx ogo From mmoongoo at nommoogo.org Fri Jun 1 20:08:15 2007 From: mmoongoo at nommoogo.org (djnnx) Date: Fri Jun 1 20:08:27 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] North Cali Scouting Message-ID: Hello, I will be doing some scouting in Northern California this week. If anyone has any info (coordinates, maps, resources for data) that may be relevent for the 2007 MutantQuest, please email me directly. *****, djnnnx ogo From mmoongoo at nommoogo.org Fri Jun 1 20:08:31 2007 From: mmoongoo at nommoogo.org (djnnx) Date: Fri Jun 1 20:09:26 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] North Cali Scouting Message-ID: Hello, I will be doing some scouting in Northern California this week. If anyone has any info (coordinates, maps, resources for data) that may be relevent for the 2007 MutantQuest, please email me directly. *****, djnnnx ogo From heathf23 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 4 03:27:10 2007 From: heathf23 at hotmail.com (tankboy heath) Date: Mon Jun 4 04:22:06 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] panzen is scouting oregon Message-ID: panzen is on the job scouting in southernish oregon. its a race into space. nothing definate, we thought we should let the oregon people know that someone up here is on it. if anyone has a reliable off road vehicle and is free next monday and tuesday (june 10-11)for a long drive into knowhere dirtroad-> please contact 8lbs8oz@gmail.com weve found a possible site and r returning to try and seal the deal. h _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From mmoongoo at nommoogo.org Wed Jun 6 11:05:13 2007 From: mmoongoo at nommoogo.org (djnnx) Date: Wed Jun 6 11:05:45 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] Mutantfest meeting, Thursday, Oakland Message-ID: Attention! There will be a meeting this Thursday (June 7th) to discuss a potential site found in Northern California. This meeting will start at 8pm, and will be at the Katabatik Compound in Oakland. All Bay Area Mutant Hordes should send a representative if possible! Reply off-list if you need directions. - X From mmoongoo at nommoogo.org Wed Jun 6 18:09:40 2007 From: mmoongoo at nommoogo.org (djnnx) Date: Wed Jun 6 18:09:49 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] Mutantfest Meeting SUNDAY 6/10 Oakland Message-ID: Due to a variety of schedule conflicts, the meeting has been postponed until Sunday June 10th. Same time, same location. -X Attention! There will be a meeting this Thursday (June 7th) to discuss a potential site found in Northern California. This meeting will start at 8pm, and will be at the Katabatik Compound in Oakland. All Bay Area Mutant Hordes should send a representative if possible! Reply off-list if you need directions. - X From mutantfest at mutantfest.org Mon Jun 11 20:57:54 2007 From: mutantfest at mutantfest.org (info at mutantfest.org mailbox) Date: Mon Jun 11 20:58:16 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] Crustacean Camp featuring HEADLESS LOBSTER will be in attendance. (fwd) Message-ID: <20070611205741.N82683@artsf1.spaz.org> Fyi... -Jay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:10:03 -0700 From: gravez@hushmail.com To: info@mutantfest.org Subject: Crustacean Camp featuring HEADLESS LOBSTER will be in attendance. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, Crustacean Camp will be in attendance to this years mutant festival. Headless Lobster will be in attendance running a wide selection of beverages in our tea/coffeecamp. We do have stoves to cook meals at midnight and cleaning stations etc. We have landed in oregon, as of now we are in NW oregon in the nehalem river valley waiting for the site announcment so we can get out there and seed our camp for the festival. We also have a 35' bus which we need to get on the site with all our warez and tools to create our kitchen and camp. The Crustacea are a large group of arthropods, comprising approx 53,000 described species, and are usually treated as subphylum. Do you have a spring, have you ran water lines, and if so what size of lines do we need, 1 1/4' black poly? filters? let me know how your spring setup is, or if there is one on site, so we know if we need to do wagon/truck water runs. I would recommend 55 gallon food grade drums for all kitchens if this is the case. Also shitters are going to be most important, as knowledge to those on how to take care of them and make them properly cared for. Do we need a workshop to dig shitters early? Let us know, we are ready to hit the site ASAP. Meep out with your sheep out evi, ash, lobster -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 2.5 wpwEAQECAAYFAkZpqYYACgkQRzIY21lg0jjW0wP9F5McUk/H1eCE9GNc2HGecLijuTgn zIYa8wCkmgmj9uu6wNaQqGj8IPXb3IKmh/h4XoKILpF2T4HoYqf8Od95NdT35GCg9+G3 z9q/Bw4bHLKRbLO5QTZq5WNoJq+dyY7sfZPsXT0vTpBW8/FuHewNop+ExUOhdIbj654u yHRuBxY= =PhbK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at katabatik.org Thu Jun 14 12:05:19 2007 From: brian at katabatik.org (Brian Wright) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:05:41 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] amf07 Message-ID: Hello, We scouted a highly potential spot in N. Cali, East of Red Bluff. It would be ideal if someone else checked it out, as we were only able to be there for one day. If anyone has time, there is another site scouted in Southern Oregon, near Reedsport. It would be extremely ideal if someone could check out both of these sites, to better compare their merits. Contact me off list for details. A final decision on this years site must be made soon in any case! Djynnx ov Katabatik MetaCommunications Platform From brian at katabatik.org Thu Jun 14 12:05:48 2007 From: brian at katabatik.org (Brian Wright) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:06:37 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] amf07 Message-ID: Hello, We scouted a highly potential spot in N. Cali, East of Red Bluff. It would be ideal if someone else checked it out, as we were only able to be there for one day. If anyone has time, there is another site scouted in Southern Oregon, near Reedsport. It would be extremely ideal if someone could check out both of these sites, to better compare their merits. Contact me off list for details. A final decision on this years site must be made soon in any case! Djynnx ov Katabatik MetaCommunications Platform From resin at g-cipher.net Fri Jun 15 07:52:45 2007 From: resin at g-cipher.net (resin@g-cipher.net) Date: Fri Jun 15 08:48:01 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] amf07 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unless something breaks, Grok and I were planning to ride out to Susanville with a stop over at Jonah's site. Where are the other two places? On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Brian Wright wrote: > Hello, > > We scouted a highly potential spot in N. Cali, East of Red Bluff. It would > be ideal if someone else checked it out, as we were only able to be there > for one day. If anyone has time, there is another site scouted in Southern > Oregon, near Reedsport. It would be extremely ideal if someone could check > out both of these sites, to better compare their merits. Contact me off > list for details. > A final decision on this years site must be made soon in any case! > > Djynnx ov Katabatik MetaCommunications Platform > > _______________________________________________ > Organize mailing list > Organize@mutantfest.org > http://lists.mutantfest.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/organize > From k at spaz.org Tue Jun 19 16:47:45 2007 From: k at spaz.org (K ) Date: Tue Jun 19 16:48:38 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] Re: [SpAzLiSt] AMF location In-Reply-To: <20070619172926.W42297@artsf1.spaz.org> Message-ID: Hail Satan! -vvv On Tue, Jun 19, 2007, Resinous Bastard said: > > Hi everybody, > Uncompromising concensus of our dark overlords that rule from the > shadowy underworld is that AMF will be in northern Cali this year. Our > minions of evil will shortly be in the area previously scouted by > Katabatik to confirm camp sites and water access. If you have questions > or comments, please contact our complaints department. They have been > stockpiling ammunition all week and will be happy to take care of any > problems. > > -R. Bastard > _______________________________________________ > S.P.A.Z. - http://www.spaz.org Semi-Permanent Autonomous Zone > > Spazlist mailing list > Spazlist@lists.spaz.org > http://lists.spaz.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/spazlist > -- ::: http://www.the486kid.com From heartworm at 5lowershop.org Tue Jun 19 17:29:56 2007 From: heartworm at 5lowershop.org (heartworm@5lowershop.org) Date: Tue Jun 19 17:30:51 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF location: northeast california... Message-ID: two spots have been secured in northeast california. final confirmation shall be this week after a brief inspection to make sure the roads are good for buses and acsess to water is acceptable. katabatik scouted these spots, and reports are that it's going to be excellent (not too spread out, not to trecherously mountainous, etc) werd. let it begin. From stan at ana.com Sat Jun 23 14:14:30 2007 From: stan at ana.com (Stan Osborne) Date: Sat Jun 23 15:09:02 2007 Subject: [AMF Organize] AMF 2007 Location & Directions announced Message-ID: <200706232114.l5NLEU9h005991@ana.com> Please help get the word out to everyone. The info just appeared on the unofficial website. http://www.mutantfest.org/directions-2007.html The 800# has not yet been updated. Stan